Barron's magazine's cover story boldly calls a bottom to the ravaged housing market.
Chip Case (of S&P/Case-Shiller fame), whose knowledge of the housing market goes back decades and is based on the voluminous collection of data, is among those who think home prices may be nearing a bottom. Case notes, among other things, that new housing starts fell to 975,000 in April from a peak rate of 2.27 million in January 2006, and that three declines of similar magnitude -- from more than two million to less than one million -- have occurred in the past 35 years. "Every time this has happened before, housing-market activity has rebounded within a quarter and caught experts by surprise."
Author Jonathan Laing does a convincing job gathering data to support his argument that a housing bottom is either in, or in the process of forming. A sampling:
- Total inventories of unsold existing homes is down to 10.8 months from 11.2 months in April.
- Despite last month's biggest ever 15.3% home price drop, eight of the 20 markets covered saw price increases - up from just two a month prior.
- Home price indexes are skewed by steep drops in the value of subprime properties - which account for only 10% of the all U.S. housing.
- A $300B congressional effort to allow FHA support of troubled mortgages, and/or a government takeover of Fannie (FNM) and Freddie (FRE), would ease lack-of-credit concerns.
- Home sales of 5M/year are the same as a decade ago - yet the population has grown by 25M and the job market by 10M since then.
- The much-feared hump in adjustable-rate-mortgage resets has been blunted by early mortgage defaults.
- Early- and late-stage delinquencies on subprime properties have been falling for the past 6-8 months.
In hindsight, the housing bust hasn't been nearly as calamitous as depicted in the media, or as Wall Street's woes might suggest. Yes, people have lost their homes, but more than a few were mendacious mortgage applicants and mere speculators, who eagerly sought out 100% margin loans, only to fold just as quickly when prices turned against them.
It is important to remember, as well, that even after a steep drop in the S&P/Case-Shiller Indices, long-term buyers in the top 20 U.S. metro markets have seen their properties appreciate by 70% since 2000. Home prices often take five to 10 years to recover fully from severe declines such as this. But at least the available data suggest the scary dive in home prices soon will be over.
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Tim Plaehn also notes spots of recovery in certain housing markets. "It appears it is not 'different this time' for the U.S. real estate market... I see the market working off excess inventory and a leveling of home prices."
Judy Weil last week collected data points from across the U.S. that demonstrate falling home prices - and sales declines.
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This article has 34 comments:
- Crapneck
- 4 Comments
Jul 13 04:43 PM- bearfund
- 437 Comments
Jul 13 05:00 PM- richjoy
- 126 Comments
Jul 13 05:15 PM- jimmy46
- 181 Comments
Jul 13 05:33 PMwhy would banks make construction loans if they are repo-ing
old houses.
- borisb
- 331 Comments
Jul 13 05:43 PM- poor&unemployed
- 8 Comments
Jul 13 06:00 PMMarket has to correct another 50% to make it to the bottom.
- Chris White
- 24 Comments
Jul 13 06:09 PMThere's no support for housing prices till someone remembers how to create pay checks substantial enough to pay bills without borrowing. Sorry, he can have all the numbers he wants, he still needs to be able to think about what's right before he starts counting.
- E Nuff Sed
- 101 Comments
Jul 13 06:30 PM- Russell Upsomgrubb
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Jul 13 06:40 PM- ArnoldCountry
- 50 Comments
Jul 13 07:44 PMI just drove around a relatively new neighborhood in the Sacramento, CA region (2005) and was shocked. In this pocket of nice homes that sold for 500k, 2 houses for sale but 8 houses had bad front yards and had the infamous Notice of Trustee Sale posted on the front door. I would say this neighborhood has about 50 homes in it. In effect, this is what I was worried about. Inventory is not going down, people have thrown in the towel.
Many many homeowners owe more than the property is worth even with putting 20% down and have resetting loans and have given up. We will never solve this problem as long as everyone is focused on getting to a bottom. A 300 billion package does not make a dent. I think we have about a 2 trillion dollar problem.
- fatcat
- 367 Comments
Jul 13 08:20 PM- TraderGreg
- 27 Comments
Jul 13 08:49 PMStop reading this garbage.
- dcc
- 2 Comments
Jul 13 09:00 PMI just came back from the west coast of FL and I have never seen so many for sale signs. Real estate is local.
- secmaven
- 150 Comments
Jul 13 09:34 PM- CLH
- 476 Comments
Jul 13 10:16 PMPeople can only stay frightened so long.
- Maquiavelli
- 48 Comments
Jul 13 10:26 PM- Jason J
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Jul 13 11:08 PMIn california, foreclosures out number homes for sale by 2 to 1.
Foreclosures ARE the market in california now, its shocking.
The last housing crash in california took 6-7 years to hit bottom and the current housing bubble makes the last one look harmless.
Maybe they can call a bottom soon for the whole USA median, but not for states where the bubbles really occurred.
California home prices didnt start going up until after the trend of foreclosures started going down.
Right now, foreclosures are sky rocketing at a rate and magnitude, in california, never seen before.
If you include foreclosures in the housing numbers, there is over 4 YEARS of inventory in california!!!!
- E.D.Hart
- 22 Comments
Jul 13 11:21 PMReal estate falls...
You can believe the Barrons piece if you beleive that inflation is coming down and interests rates are not headed appreciably higher.
But we are in a huge housing bear market, and we are at a very low point in the rate rising cycle.
The capitulation ( low point) will come when interest rates are 10-15%.
Say in 5-10 years.
- oregonrain
- 35 Comments
Jul 13 11:31 PMMy outlook is that we may hit a "ledge" here. When I used to rock climb you would make these crazy moves...(scared)..then you would find this nice safe ledge to stand on...but..guess what...you had to make the next move. Paulson et al have in essence but us on a ledge..a nice "safe place." But...its only a rest on the way down..not up.
- been there before in ca.
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Jul 13 11:40 PM- ritelminos
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Jul 13 11:56 PM- Medici
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Jul 14 12:32 AM- DingoJoe
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- user80210
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Jul 14 12:58 AMJust kidding. The negativity in housing is part of our poor consumer 'confidence', which will erode until oil crashes, we have a new President, and stocks start to pick up on a consistent level again. We're already back to 2004 prices nationally, and the long term trend line is pretty much back to reality. Once the other feel-good factors start to happen and get some press, prices will stabilize. Sales are already increasing, and though we might be stagnant for a while, things will in fact, get better.
- Did U Think The Ponzi Scheme Would Last?
- 116 Comments
Jul 14 02:37 AMExisting homeowners who do not see a bounce will bail on their homes in record numbers before the end of 2009 in order to hit the IRS window.
As these people walk away, the home prices will fall even faster and banks will dump them at hyper depressed market prices. I will be looking to pick up income real estate around June 2009 but ONLY if I think the credit bubble has completely deflated by then. There is an excellent chance that it will not have done so by that time.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
- NewTech
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Jul 14 09:27 AM- Polabair
- 7 Comments
Jul 14 10:58 AMAmerican workers, American products, Americans buying houses.
I liked the 50's and 60's, had a 57 Caddy!
Get back to where we once belonged...
- hanson001
- 21 Comments
Jul 14 11:52 AMHappy birthday! Add to this inflation (headline inflation doesn't begin to caputure it), sinking dollar, and interest rates that have no where to go but up, and the only remedy I see to the problem is decreasing the price, greatly reducing inventory, or building much smaller homes that people can afford.
I read some time ago (maybe two years) that people were buying homes two times the size they grew up in. I thought this strange, but knowing human behavior, "look at me I am successful", knew we would dig our own grave. I mean are we not producing less children now? Why such a big house. Back in the day, one could not purchase a home if the payments were more than 30% of his/her income. Looks like we are going back to the day.
Dang! We didn't raise our kids to watch what they spend.
- Tim Plaehn
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Jul 14 12:04 PMThose who actually want to own a home realize there are tremendous values out there in the foreclosed market and are making the deals of their lifetime. The bottleneck is tight lending standards which will loosen as soon as the bankers see prices stabilizing, their business is to make loans and they will do so at the first signs of stability. Also, I believe there is a huge reservoir of buyers (none commenting here)waiting for prices to stabilize that will quicken the turnaround.
- Southern Cali Cyclist
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Jul 14 03:52 PM- Dusty
- 16 Comments
Jul 15 11:38 AMIt all started in November from a significant high. Phase two is about to commence from a serious low. It will be very interesting to see how far down it can go by, say, Chinese New Year. Then it will still have a long way to go before the mortgage mess is actually "over."
Our economy has actually never recoverd from the Telecom Crash. It has just been riding the Housing Bubble. YYZ (above) reminded us that it took Canada five years to recover in the '90's. It could take the US ten or more, there is a lot more to fix. Add 10 to 2012 and the clear start of the recovery is in (gulp!) 2025?
- mkttrdr
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Jul 15 12:58 PMMost Vegas buyers are speculators from across the pond. Why buy in Vegas when you can rent or get deals from the hotels on the strip.
Yes, people will always buy for needed shelter if the banker gets some of the "skin"off the borrowers backs.
We buy and sell everyday with 20% down-and don't see this price decline ending for at least 3 more years. Then it will be flat for a year or two until the economy picks up steam.
What and when will a need be created to encourage growth in the economy again?
The only things to carry the cycle is survival-food, shelter, water, transportation and comfort. If you have assets and control your own destiny-great.
Waves are not V shaped they go up and down in a U shape-the market is no different.
Therefore, this has been a bear market rally in both stocks and real estate going back to the 1999 crash. The usual cycle for bull or bear markets run 17 years on average.
How long do you think this wave will last?
2012 is the start of an upswing in both!
Hang on until then.
- PhillyD
- 33 Comments
Jul 15 04:05 PMMaybe Michigan, which started off our housing recession, will be the first to lead us out?
- Did U Think The Ponzi Scheme Would Last?
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Jul 27 11:35 PM"and have lost about $150,000 in equity since then"
Word to the wise. That is gone and you will never see it again in your lifetime. Do not expect housing prices to come back like that for decades. So many reasons but the most important are:
- can't buy an expensive house if nobody will loan the money. banks creating those loans are out of the business or heading that way.
- interest rates are on the rise. Expect 10+% soon. Nobody will be able to afford the interest on an overpriced home so builders will be creating "green, economy homes" like the little shitbox cars showing up on our highways now. Your modern home that is overpriced will not be an option for children of the coming depression whose salaries will be much lower than this generation's.
You may want to plan to take advantage of the window created by the mortgage debt relief act of 2007 which allows you to jingle mail without owing the IRS any taxes until Dec 31 2009.
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